Thursday, July 28, 2005

So when did Universalism start in SC?

1740? 1760? 1800? 1820?

it depends on what one means by Universalism.....

with the exception of the Charleston society, Universalists in SC started as an outshoot of Baptists - thus around 1740 when they moved in; 1760 when churches organized, 1800 when kicked out of the Baptists Churchs, 1820 when affiliated with the Universalist denomination......

all are right


boyinthebands said...

More specifically, the German Baptist Brethren, which aren't ordinarily classified with the "English" Baptists that are e'er so common in South Carolina.

Some time I'll have to get pictures of South Carolinian Universalistiana on my blog.

SC Universalist said...

Yes, I have some nice photos of the inside and out of Liberty Universalist church - the mother church of the south.
which if i can figure out how to post, I will do so....

Confusingly, the written histories of the SC Baptist church does often include the German Baptist Brethren, -- and dont ask me if the 7th day Baptists were German or English....( were they from the Pa too?)
but I used the big tent of Baptists, so I could include Father Clayton and Mrs. Irwin (whose gravesite I hope to photograph this weekend). Which is a whole younger generation
and of course, my local guy, E. Winchester was a Baptist minister before moving back north.

boyinthebands said...

Look to Brethren historians -- not Baptist -- for SC Universalism.

There were different German and English Seventh Day Baptist churches, though the Germans have since died out. (NB: The Wells line from which I'm descended were "English" SDBs.)

But the connection always seems to go back to Philadelphia, and that means "German." Heck: Universalists and the Dutch Fork go together like gravy and grits.

SC Universalist said...

Gee, do we dare mention Ephrata and Beissel? to understand early Southern Univeralism, I guess we have to... but then George Adam Martin got around upnorth too, didnt he?
Wonder how much time he spent near Good Luck?

More seriously (and less nudgenudgewinkwink-ism), the book BRETHREN IN THE CAROLINAS is both good and unfortantely rare (I need, that is NEED, to own a copy), the BRETHREN IN THE COLONIAL AMERICA, and THE BRETHREN IN THE NEW NATION, are too good sources - some old research though - John H. is now ID as Hendricks.

is a good place to start for Brethren history (and its free too)

boyinthebands said...

OK, OK, you know you your stuff . . . .

Anonymous said...

Did you know that J. L. E. Shecut wrote a manuscript about the church?

SC Universalist said...

thanks anonymous - there is some material about Shecut published later (this is a 2008 comment on a 2005 blog.
while I have both volumes of his fiction book, I cant say Ive read anything about a manuscript about the Church. Can you tell us more?

Anonymous said...

yes it was unpublished but the manuscript was in the posession of his grandson Edward Willis. It may now be @ the S. C. Historical Society. I believe that they have a file there but I have not had a chance to do any further research. I am a great great great grandson of J. L. E. W. Shecut's

SC Universalist said...

I just looked at the online catalog for the SC Historical Society, and didnt see it - but then I didnt see the newspapers that books tell me that the Historical Society has (hope it has and not had!)
doing a quick look at their website I see that one of Shecut's descendants was at Holly Springs Mississippi - at the same time Universalist minister (and SC native) D.B. Clayton lived there-
an interesting coincidence.
I've yet to make it to Charleston to do serious research, something to do if I can figure out their tourist I figure that it might be one of those long weekend trips.
the Shecuts are an interesting family - how come no one has written a book on them? factories, biology, bandaids, Thomas Rush, Thomas Jefferson, fiction writing, all that and a great name too!

thanks for your comments.

Anonymous said...

I'm a rookie blogger so I don't know what I am doing but yes I thought that I knew a lot about the Shecuts but I keep finding more. A book could be written about them. I am hoping that the historical society has that manuscript. There are a few Willis left but I have not tracked them down. Appearantly J. L. E. W. was very influenced by Benjamin Rush but also John Ramsey an original member of the Continental
Congress. I have just recently learned of this connection with the Universalist Church. Not sure about the Missisippi connection but there was a John Frezier Shecut that fought in the Civil War and moved to Alabama afterward. I would like to know more about Benjamin Rush and Universalism.

SC Universalist said...

> I would like to know more about >Benjamin Rush and Universalism.

Several denominations claim Rush,
so I'm not trying to arguing exclusive Universalist rights (nor have I studied Rush that carefully)
Rush attended Rev. E. Winchester's "Universal Baptist" Church in Philadelphia, and recommended his books to others.